
Apr 9, 2026
58 min
The War on Wages (w/Kirsten Black, MS, CCLS, Registered HPS)
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What does it look like when hospitals don't value your child's psychological and emotional safety? A 2023 salary survey suggests it might mean nearly 60% of the Certified Child Life Specialists who do this vital, necessary work become "likely" or "extremely likely" forced out due to an inability to afford basic living expenses.
Kirsten Black, MS, CCLS, Registered HPS (and architect of that salary survey) joins the pod this week to discuss the true cost when Certified Child Life Specialists can't earn a living wage.
Host: Annie J, MS, CCLS, CAHP
Guest: Kirsten Black, MS, CCLS, Registered HPS
Editing: SH Creative
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